president bush flying on down for president obama to honor nelson mandela. so how do you feel now? >> i have great respect and admiration for nelson mandela and what he did and he sacrificed this with what he achieved oe he got out and at the time we were voting back in the 80s, hewas still in prison and the question was whether or not we should embargo american firms and working and doing business. the reagan administration said no and he ws one of the premier leaders in south africa and he urged us as well. and so the argument on the right inside it was the only way man came to the defense wage was if he was working there. i wasn't a big fan. >> iran today is useful, but unfortunately, we are starting to trade them aw now. neil: when you say trade him away,. >> i'm not impressed. >> now, this is the precursor to something more substantive. you don't believe that? >> i have my ubts about that. the ratings have been down this road before, stretching out the negotiations and in the meantime, they are very busy working on improving their enrichment capabilities of a have a significan